The Guru Ranking

Work in progress by Luc Sala (www.heavenonearth.nu )

 

There are many spiritual teachers, guruís, holy men and women, but also a lot of imposters and bhakti-guruís (in for the money). I have met many and interviewed many, see www.mindlift.tv or my www.youtube.com channel mindlift. Some were impressive, most had some flaws in the realms of sex, drugs or money, a very few walked their talk in real life.

As I have been studying the way our psyche works, see www.lucsala.nl/psyche.htm and developed a way to quantify the various dimensions and characteristics of our mind and being, by dowsing, I thought itís maybe worthwhile to compile A: a list of the spiritual people I know and have met personally, usually interviewed for some length of time and B: a list of historically important spiritual or religious leaders and luminaries, see www.lucsala.nl/psyche.htm also.

 

The matrix that follows contains a lot of numbers and might come across as a fairly complex way to compare people. However, as there is not an easy way to describe a person, as we are complex, multifaceted beings, I think that only a multifaceted approach makes sense. Even in this extensive list I am limiting the scope and therefore maybe overseeing important aspects like ESP, siddhi qualities, magnetism, healing capabilities etc.

 

The basis of my approach is dowsing (pendulum). I am not starting from a clear definition of the characterists (columns) but as the rating progresses, some kind of understanding grows what for instance gurudom is, or consciousness, or openness. The interpretation thus found or assumed, is certainly mine, as dowsing is always a subjective act, but might serve others. Donít get frightened by all the numbers, just take an easy exaple, like comparing Amma and someone else you know in a dimension you kind of know, like emotional. You probably know intuitively who is the ďwarmestĒ personality and check the data given here with your own estimate. Thus you get a feel for the numbers.

 

I use the concept of multiple subpersonalities, indicated as P1 and P2 (sometimes there are more subpersonalities) and I use the words ego, personality, shadow in the most common sense. There are deviations, some call the Higher Self the Ego like Alice Bailey, here I refer to the ego/personality as the layer we developed in this lifetime, reacting or interacting with our parents, upbringing and the expectations of society. This is usually what we believe we are, the illusion we live.

P1 then stands for our mask, ego, outer personality, the person we believe we are and act out in normal life, but is actually a constructed defense personality that developed over time since childhood, is not totally fixed but can grow as we become more aware and can be adapted, honed and developed by techniques like NLP and most psychotherapeutic approaches. Usually this P1 mask does develop over our lifetime and in some cases becomes a fairly developed and spiritual personality.

P2 stands for our hidden, inner personality, sometimes called inner child. However, in most of us, this inner child is a wounded child, traumatized and damaged by our experiences, very often it has developed dark sides and can therefore be called our shadow. However, the shadow or Lower Self is just a layer over the deeper, inner self, sometimes called the Higher Self or Essence, the inner being that we started out with and usually has exceptional, if hidden qualities that we discover on our path through life.

The P2 thus is the wounded child, hidden in our psychic background, mostly subconscious and showing her/himself only in times of stress, illness, despair, love, or in dreams and in trance. That is the time that the problems of the wounded child come to the surface, as negative thoughts but also as depressions and physical illnesses. It is in our P2 state we can really work on our wounds and traumaís, mostly by accepting what we are, facing the shadow and not in denial of its darker sides. Only then can the process of healing start, of coming closer to the higher self or the essential inner child.

In fact, we could indicate the essence or perfect inner child as a special subpersonality and call it P3 or something. However, very few people have come close to being their essence, so it would be a rather empty category. The development of the P2 gives adequate information about how a person has developed, spiritually, and emotionally. Maybe it is interesting to know, that some astrological systems like the HDS (Human Design) make a clear distinction between what they call Design and Personality, roughly equivalent to P3 and P1 as used here.

I note here, and explain in more detail in www.lucsala.nl/psyche.htm, that the P1 and P2 are different in many respect, they share the same body and brains, but use them in quite a different way. Intelligence, spiritual development and even illnesses are different, mostly caused by the difference in breath, as the breath is the deciding factor in how we distribute and guide the life energy (sometimes called chi) in our body. The breath mode is what makes us what we are, it is a pity that even advanced systems like the enneagram have not made this part of their teaching, but any yoga adept can confirm how our breath is very important to what and how we are.

 

The holy crowd, how are they different?

There are many teachers, guruís, masters and holy men we consider special. Special because they have a special knowledge or wisdom, healing capabilities, they make us feel better or whole, teach us essential values or whatever. I am interested to see what makes these people special, in what dimensions they have developed more or are at a higher level than the rest of us. Now there are (see below) listings of guruís with some commentaries, but none very explicit, at best we see a subjective and fairly undifferentiated rating. So I set out to make a more elaborate comparison, using a model with the P1 and P2 mentioned above, and differentiating the emotional, aura, mental (intelligence) and spiritual.

As it turns out most holy men/women have liberated this inner child (P2) more than average people, they usually have a higher P2 % score than average.. This has two aspects: they ďareĒ in their inner child mode more (timewise) than average and have developed the inner child to a higher degree. Not all of them, you will see some surprising low numbers for some guruís in their P2. For instance the 16 pops up for some, thatís the sexual (nr 2) chakra indicating some unresolved issues there. But then, for some that is an essential way to connect to their followers, as most people in the West are kind of stuck in their second chakra, especially in their wounded child. Osho had an SP2 of 16 and obviously used it to turn on a generation in need for sexual freedom, to work out those blocks.

The numbers are obtained by dowsing and have no specific meaning, except that I found out that each chakra has a specific number, like 4 and 8 for the root chakra, 16 for the sex chakra, 43 for the hara/power/3th chakra and 60 for the heart. I noted that people have surpassed the 60 in their spiritual mode sometimes become ďinvisibleĒ to those with a lower number (invisible as in not being noticed or recognised).

 

I give numbers for the various bodies, like auric/etheric body (AU), emotional/astral body (EM or sometimes emotional quotient), mental/intelligence body (IQ), the spiritual body and then, in the blue section) some as yet fairly subjective dimensions that are less defined like openness (OP), gurudom and the broad description ďconsciousnessĒ. I donít pretend to know exactly what they mean, their meaning comes forth from the numbers. For instance, gurudom seems to be a characteristic and somewhat appropriate in their tradition of eastern teachers, when it shines through in westerners it maybe less positive. Mastership is also peculiar, as some highly developed teachers donít score very high there, some do, it feels it has to do with transference, the direct exchange of love and truth. Openness is also peculiar, as it turns out especially the psychedelic crowd developed that, again the definition of openness has to follow from the data, not from the encyclopaedic notion. Consciousness is what I now perceive as a general level of being, some kind of general mix of all the others rolled into one.

 

As these are, for the most part, living people, the numbers are not constant, they change as the person goes through changes and daily lifeís challenges. So although I try to give consistent ratings, a kind of average, they may change.

 

List of guru's

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

qualities dowsed by L. Sala

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P2%

SP1

SP2

EM1

EM2

AU1

AU2

MENT1

ME2

OP1

OP2

Consciousness

G1

G2

M1

M2

 

 

child/

spirituality

 

emotional

 

aura body

 

IQ

IQ

openness

 

ousness

gurudom

 

mastership

 

 

 

mask

P1

P2

P1

P2

P1

P2

P1

P2

 

 

 

P1 

P2 

P1

P2

 

Albert Hofmann

45

120

160

170

210

105

120

136

134

610

550

110

1

0

42

56

 

Alexander Smit

14

95

110

70

40

120

90

131

125

60

150

30

7

0

0

1

 

Amma

26

170

230

210

270

140

100

124

116

250

500

60

23

4

12

17

 

Andrew Cohen

9

110

140

140

90

100

130

124

133

60

205

40

40

0

3

5

 

Barry Long

6

120

160

120

130

90

105

126

124

40

130

20

9

4

1

4

 

Byron Katie

10

120

210

110

160

110

130

122

133

120

170

15

10

3

3

21

 

Dadi Janki (Brahma Kum)

16

140

16

120

90

150

60

133

132

110

160

40

32

12

8

12

 

Dalai Lama

7

95

105

140

110

160

90

134

118

160

140

10

30

14

1

2

 

David Steindl Rast

1

250

22

150

120

100

180

139

134

220

420

50

1

8

20

40

 

Deepak Chopra

7

110

120

180

90

100

110

137

134

210

320

5

60

12

1

2

 

Gangaji

16

125

205

220

110

105

160

126

143

120

190

5

20

50

6

65

 

Isaac Shapiro

10

95

60

70

160

102

170

129

110

280

20

10

20

4

14

2

 

Le baaba Laetoli (kali)

14

110

150

110

160

110

170

126

131

110

260

4

40

21

3

16

 

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

22

300

500

160

310

250

420

144

124

320

170

110

40

8

50

70

 

Pannikar

30

600

550

240

290

115

140

140

132

105

190

130

2

3

60

50

 

Pilot Baba

13

650

400

200

250

200

550

131

149

270

120

160

30

70

10

30

 

Ra Uru Hu (HDS)

21

80

140

40

70

50

25

131

128

110

130

6

2

0

1

4

 

Radha Burnier (Theosof)

12

120

140

25

105

105

140

134

136

40

20

15

4

6

1

3

 

Ram Dass

22

170

190

230

320

105

90

138

137

450

750

10

1

1

38

41

 

Sogyal Rinpoche

37

120

16

250

450

140

90

131

118

380

130

19

65

30

8

14

 

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

33

170

250

130

160

200

210

126

133

270

190

50

41

8

25

40

 

Suhotra Swami

16

170

310

100

180

160

550

136

133

230

120

60

9

2

12

22

 

Tim Leary

4

60

16

140

190

60

110

136

134

410

600

20

40

2

1

3

 

Ug. Krishnamurti

25

120

95

150

300

105

130

141

128

140

85

30

0

60

10

3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The methodology and psychological concepts I use are explained in www.lucsala.nl/psyche.htm

 

Luc Sala mailto:sala@dealerinfo.nl

June 18, 2007

 

If you want to know more about these teachers and other guruís or holy men see:

 

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/gurulist.html

 

http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratings.htm

 

http://spiritualteachers.org/ratings.htm